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Aug. 1st, 2019 04:50 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
graveexcitementgoing to get started early today (meaning, before midnight.) current status: Chapter Two, Part Two. spoilers for that below. maybe today i'll actually finish?? who knows!
assorted thoughts before i jump in again:
Q-Taro was definitely trying to accumulate as many tokens as possible, but i'm guessing he didn't manage to get 200 (the number you need for the vending machine in the stairs room.) also, something that happened during the Sub-Game -- before the Final Attraction -- def seems to have made him lose composure/confidence and start being desperate for tokens. (i did refuse his lopsided deal that one time -- what was it, 10 of his tokens for 40 of mine? yeah, that's sketchy as hell dude, no thanks.)
Someone sure assigned Sara the Sacrifice card, but who? it can't have been anyone sitting in the lobby at the time, which means it wasn't Keiji, Kanna, Q-taro, or Reko. no one else was with us at that moment, right? Sou had just run off, which means he's an obvious candidate here, buuut... hmm. there's a total of 3 hours for trading, which is a significant time, but no one has an infinite amount of tokens. so if i was a player in this game and my goal was survival, one strategy might be to wait til the last minute and trade it away, in the hopes that 1) they won't have time to trade it back, 2) even if they do, they'll be panicked and would hopefully trade it to someone else, not you. (though if Sou had it, there would be a decent chance he'd be several people's first choice.)
so that'd be a more strategic option. on the other hand, some of the group -- Q-taro, for instance -- are nervous enough that if they had gotten the Sacrifice card, i’d have expected them to trade it right away/early on. which to be fair, might have happened — we still don’t know what the second trade was. (though at the very least, we now know Keiji didn’t get the Sacrifice card, since he can’t have been the one to trade it to Sara. so if he was traded with in the second trade, he’s either still a Commoner or a Seer now.)
but if we assume, based on timing and the fact that the other available candidates are Gin and Nao, that Sou had the sacrifice card — either from the beginning or after trade 2 — then his timing is interesting. it means he didn’t trade it away right off, so he was thinking strategically; perhaps based on my survival-oriented train of thought above, or on the idea that if he traded it away too soon it’d just be traded back to him, OR alternatively if he traded it too soon and it didn’t come back to him, he wouldn’t know who it ended up with, which could be dangerous. so the fact that he didn’t wait longer to trade, and that he traded right then, implies that the trade’s purpose was to utterly distract Sara from the background check file on Kai’s laptop. which, worked?
(tho it's still possible, if unlikely, that it was one of the others who traded it to her, and it's hard to tell if Sou had it before trade 2.)
this is what happens when i play a game with hidden roles: i write like 500 words about who has what role before i even hit 'play'. (i've played a decent amount of Mafia, Werewolf, & One Night Ultimate Werewolf, as well as a few other hidden role games. also i've thought way too much about what i would do if i were in a death game >.>) i have thoughts about Keiji's general "strategy" so far in this game but i wanna actually play so like, maybe later?
actual gameplay time...
lol i went towards the Ruined Corridor and Room of Rumble in my quest to gather everyone in the lobby, so the hopeful music didn't last too long before i hit a problem (q-taro being knocked out. very curious. who? why? if it's a fellow player (and not one of the kidnappers/floor masters), then who would have had the opportunity?
secret room, entered. have acquired more info: the Memorandum (either a real memo from a past game that happens to have very similar demographics to this one, or a fake one meant to demoralize Sara if she ever found it? or... idk, time travel? :P) and the Floor Master code. confirms that Floor Masters "cannot lie with the intent of deceiving participants;" plus rule 4, "If there is misconduct during the Main Game, it either proceeds with the transgressor's death, or must be retried 24 hours later." sara interprets this as saying that it's retried if a Floor Master is the source of the misconduct. i interpret this as a hint that we just might force a retrial at some point, maybe in the next Main Game.
sou sure is claiming to be making some serious headway. i am choosing not to verbally doubt him (as sara), but... idk. i'm not going to be too surprised if he backstabs us... but he also could be genuine this time. hard to tell. ...hmm, now that i'm at the "exit," i think sou was genuine here/is genuinely shocked by this result. (i'm not -- though the fact that even the Floor Masters are collared is interesting.) overall, does bring to mind Ouma showing the V3 cast the "exit" in DRV3, except this time Sou was also fooled.
also, sou says he might be able to try and hack the role data! so that's promising. ah... and of course as soon as Gin tries to show us something interesting, we get interrupted both by a trade and being knocked out, presumably via stun gun. uh. also... who's traded for Sara's Sacrifice card? if it was Keiji then i swear to god game don't do this to me. (though maybe it was Sou's hacking? seems a little quick for that, but maybe...)
now, what is this scene? a dying Sou, a Mishima who's still alive... and Safalin was offering to remove bad memories in a previous scene. the evidence grows...
new rules on ties: if Sacrifice is in the tie, the Sacrifice wins. if Keymaster is in tie, all perish, and Keymaster takes priority over Sacrifice. oh, it's been a while since i remembered Keymaster is a thing... presumably Sou has it, if he was the one who originally traded Sacrifice to Sara?
Miley is now already claiming Gashu is transgressing the Main Game somehow? well, that could def mean a retrial. i just don't know what it is he's supposedly fucked with, unless it is the rules for ties?
main game tiiiime
not sure who Sacrifice is now but it better not be keiji fhsghfgs. also, if he's an option in the final selection (and he might be based on the 1F security footage we found?) i wanna vote q-taro.
Sou going the opposite route, and claiming Sacrifice. which... can only be true if he managed to make some hacking happen, or if a trade happened directly after Sara was knocked unconscious. otherwise, he should have Keymaster. side note, i'm not sure if this tense music is actually Sou's theme or if it just happens to play a lot when he's Up To Something, but i really like it.
the heart minigames seem a little silly, but on the other hand, DR had skateboarding through logic, soooo....
ah. the security camera footage isn't proof enough, because with potential dolls running around, any footage they like can be faked. (though with the look Q-taro's got on, i doubt he's entirely innocent here.)
hmm. q-taro's claiming to have traded his Sacrifice for sara's Keymaster, which would make that trade 3. knowing that i had the Keymaster at all makes it semi-credible, and voting Keymaster is obviously bad, but... wouldn't someone have noticed if he'd made a trade while we were all right there in the lobby? but his disclosure was apparently effective enough that no one voted for him or Sara, so, ~~i guess Q-taro will live another day, at least :P~~ pretty effective survival strategy, to say something like that right before the vote.
dear god this is like a One Night Werewolf game when you have several roles that have role-swapping powers.
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well i'm crying now, i hope this trial doesn't ask for any more tricky logic because i'm heartbroken
ok i'm somewhat more recovered now that we're seeing some more hope here, but goddamn the message on Kanna's smartphone to Sara is such a gut-punch, i don't think anything i've ever read has ever taken me from 0 to tears so quickly. and it still makes me cry because even if Kanna didn't end up with the Sacrifice, she fully expected to... ;-;
lol, Gin helpfully memorized the blackboard list, and Keiji is there if you want to consult the cards, for any players who didn't meticulously write down every bit of info they got earlier on :P at last, the mystery of the roster cards is revealed, and. gashu. fuck you.
oh god dammit... i cannot, i CANNOT vote for Kanna, but Sou... we made so much progress with Sou... and now Kanna is asking people to vote for her, no
ah... hmm. Gashu specified what happens with ties involving a Keymaster or Sacrifice, but... what happens with a regular tie? oh, wait; a regular tie is what would have saved Mishima in the "practice round," but presumably in the Main Game it just kills both, or one at random, or something.
i don't know what to do i'm too emotionally devastated.
ok, so... assuming everyone's telling the truth about their votes, my vote will,, actually be the deciding vote? for the first time this game? i, i can't do this. at least in danganronpa you didn't have to choose.
i mean,, i'm obviously not voting for nao. i'm pretty sure a regular tie, which i could achieve by voting for Keiji, would just end badly.
so... so... character-wise, Sou is one of my faves and i don't want to kill him! i want to see him develop more! but kanna,, kanna dying for sara is too heartbreaking. i can't do it. i just can't. i refuse.
well, sou. did die, but accomplished one last act of defiance. how did he get his collar off? i don't know. back to crying a little again, though.
and... with that, i'm done. emotionally devastated and left to wait until the final chapter.
at least the "waiting room" has all the music. i did want to listen to the music.
- the background music confirms that the song i was associating with Sou is his theme; it's called "Not Sou, Sou." according to the translation notes, in the Japanese ver it's "Sou no Uso," and Sou's name is thus probably a play on "uso" (lie.) just another reminder of Ouma ("Uso desu yo~!")
- the song i was calling "kickass music that plays when you get it right" is called Samurai Woman, which is also on Sara's student id (SAMURAI ONNNA; "Onna" is woman).
- it turned out the important language in Gashu's explanation of who got a monitor in the Monitor Room wasn't the "completed a First Trial" part, it was the word "candidate." as such, Kai, Joe, and Nao are all missing -- though Joe apparently has his own separate monitor/AI in the Room of Rubble, for some reason, despite not being a candidate? also, you may have noticed that in my post yesterday, i somehow missed that Nao was missing from the monitors; i also didn't catch until it came up in the Main Game that the people who don't have monitors were also the people missing from the card roster.
- i went back to an earlier save before the final attraction so i could actually get some use out of the tokens. i never got 50 of any one person's, so i just bought the 3 victim videos. they're all of people's First Trial deaths; the first one is a young girl (Rio's distinctive hood is actually stolen from her) -- probably "Hinako Mishuku" since she's listed as a middle school student; the second is a man (not sure what Rio stole from him, but... maybe there was nothing left to steal, based on method of death?) and the third is a girl who claims she wanted to die, pissing Rio off.
- clearly there's only a few people who it's possible to gain 50 of their tokens; i'm somewhat interested to know what you can learn there.
- the detail put into the AIs/dolls still makes it very possible that Sou is a doll, or indeed that this is another simulation. the "other Sou" does seem to be a figment of Sou's imagination, though, and not another doll.
- what were Joe and Kai talking about, on the first floor?
- Gashu's final hint is about their "upbringings," or something similar. how long has ASU-NARO been around, and how long has it been watching (perhaps influencing) the candidates?
- is the Memorandum taken from one of the simulations, or has there actually been a Death Game previous to this one? if the former, we've already diverged from that particular simulation's result.
also, i was right, and the % numbers are "likelihood of success/survival." and despite Sara being surprisingly high for a high school girl... she's still only at 15%, and she's the highest. notable, yes, for being 6% higher than the next likely person (who is already dead), but she still dies in 85% of simulations. which also makes sou's 0% more striking/tragic; even Hinako (the middle schooler with the hood who died in her first trial) has a 1 in 100 chance of surviving to the end. (also makes me wonder how much of those low %s are due to trial deaths rather than Main Game majority votes; that is, if Hinako does survive that first trial, what's her likelihood of survival afterwards? ofc, same can apply to our living kids, Gin and Kanna...)
though, the fact that the %s all add up to 100% is still a little odd. or perhaps it's worrisome, because the most obvious way to explain that fact is that each simulation only had 1 survivor each. meaning that if they did the sim 100 times, Sara was the sole survivor in 15 of them, "Naomichi" was the sole survivor in 9 of them, etc. (to be exact, 1 survivor who was a candidate each, since the non-candidates aren't tracked here.) but even that's a bit odd, because -- even if we don't count any "Keymaster was voted and so everyone dies" endings for the data here -- surely at least some sims ended in a Sacrifice victory where two candidates survive?
and if some sims do have more than one survivor, that should be reflected in the survival rates. for instance, (hypothetically) if sara's chance of surviving alone, with no other surviving candidates, is 10%, and Keiji's is 10%, and the chance both survive is 5%, then... they should each have a 15% chance to survive overall, right? (i'm... not quite sure if the math is that easy but i'm pretty sure it shouldn't add up to a nice clean 100% if multiple candidates survive...?) alternatively: i might be thinking about this too hard
speaking of candidates, what is their selection criteria? why Kanna but not Kugie? both of the other sibling pair (Reko and Alice) are candidates, so... hmm. Kanna's adopted, isn't she? Q-taro's an orphan too, and Sara's dad isn't her biological father. is whatever they're testing genetic? this goes back to Gashu's "upbringing" hint...
my favorite character of the current survivors is Keiji, of course. i can also see where the Keiji/Sara shippers are coming from. i... honestly hope that if anyone else has to die, it's Q-taro. he did not endear himself to me in chapter 2, and apparently trading him enough of your tokens gets you a bad end where he escapes alone and leaves everyone else to die, so :/ everyone else... well, everyone else is heartbreak no matter what, though i guess i could take Reko dying easier than Gin or Kanna.
and i have now finished all of the episodes currently released of Your Turn To Die! i hope the fandom continues to grow, and that we don't have to wait too long for the final chapter. i successfully managed to navigate the internet for the last few weeks without getting spoiled on much of anything, and considering how many people i follow on twitter/tumblr who are playing it, that's saying something.
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Date: 2019-08-02 10:57 am (UTC)(i did refuse his lopsided deal that one time -- what was it, 10 of his tokens for 40 of mine? yeah, that's sketchy as hell dude, no thanks.)
It's 40 of his tokens for 20 of yours. If you take the deal, he gets 200 tokens and goes for the vending machine, which is an escape route. He goes 'look, I'm gonna go outside and call for help, I'm not just leaving you guys to die' and then Ranger shows up and goes 'BY THE WAY, if you escape through the vending machine, everyone else gets killed' and Q-taro goes 'what the fuck, I already inserted the tokens' and Ranger goes 'fair enough, I'll pay them back if you want and we can forget about this' and Q-taro goes '...actually I'm gonna escape, sorry, bye.'
THANKS, Q-TARO >:(
(And then I read the rest of this entry and discovered you already knew about this, but I'm not going to delete my GLARING AT Q-TARO; he deserves it!)
uh. also... who's traded for Sara's Sacrifice card? if it was Keiji then i swear to god game don't do this to me.
I was so scared of this.
the heart minigames seem a little silly
I do love that you literally touch people's hearts to get them to open up.
also, you may have noticed that in my post yesterday, i somehow missed that Nao was missing from the monitors
I did catch that! I was very amused that the most significant character on that front was the one you forgot about.
clearly there's only a few people who it's possible to gain 50 of their tokens
The ones I know it's possible to get 50 tokens for are Reko and Gin. I don't imagine you can get them for Keiji or Sou. I wonder if you can get them for Nao. There's no AI of her, and yet her portrait is displayed at the prize exchange; what happens if you try to buy her backstory?
though, the fact that the %s all add up to 100% is still a little odd.
I was wondering about that. It's possible to get a Sacrifice victory in this game by voting for Nao, after all. Although, come to think of it, Nao's not a candidate and wouldn't count - is it somehow impossible for multiple candidates to survive? Maybe the scenarios in which nobody survives... conveniently perfectly balance out scenarios with multiple survivors, decimal places and all? I'm so confused. Maybe it's false data and the roster solely exists to fuck with Sou.
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Date: 2019-08-02 12:17 pm (UTC)The amount varies, actually. After I played it, I went and looked over the LP you recommended - and you're correct that in his version, it was 20 Sara tokens for 40 Q-taro ones. However, in my playthrough, it was definitely 10 Sara tokens for 40. I wonder if it depends on how much he has obtained your tokens in the past or something (depending on the token trades, he won't always have the same number of tokens at that point, and he needs 200).
-timydamonkey
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Date: 2019-08-02 07:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-08-02 07:55 pm (UTC)THANKS, Q-TARO >:(
WOW. i mean i had already read about that bad ending in the abstract, but that makes it so much woooooorse.
side note, Ranger is like, absolutely a bastard, but he has a fun design.
I was so scared of this.
yeah, and then the actual person who traded for sara’s sacrifice ended up so much worse, feelings-wise.
The ones I know it's possible to get 50 tokens for are Reko and Gin
i think Nao is also a possibility (tho i am curious if you learn anything), and i think Alice?
Maybe it's false data and the roster solely exists to fuck with Sou.
yeah, that def occurred to me! or... maybe the data is real, but this is only the subset of games that ended up with 1 candidate surviving, and all others were excluded from the dataset? or, to your “impossible for multiple candidates to survive” point, this could be another reason for Gashu to give the Sacrifice card to a non-candidate; even if they win, they’ll be picking a candidate to survive (and ofc all the other non-candidates are dead by this point.